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What are you using for backup Nutanix?

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What are you using for backup Nutanix?
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Best answer by farhanparkar 3 October 2017, 07:04

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Hi all,
we are try to solve a problem related to VMs attached to Volume Groups (VG):
Our Nutanix infrastructure at the moment is composed of 2 clusters based on AOS/AHY and cross-replicated using the native protection domains as DR.
Excluding other standard VM services, we can say that the first cluster contain the OpenStack infrastructure (Database(s), Keystone, Horizon, etc.) and with the Nutanix OpenStack drivers we use the second cluster to generate the OpenStack VMs.

Right now we haven´t still found a software solution that have VG support and we discovered this problem using Cohesity. For the moment negative answer support of vProtect and Veeam and we are waiting for other answers.

Any suggestion?


https://www.hycu.com/blog/how-hycu-uses-nutanix-volume-group-apis-for-consistent-data-protection/
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Hi all,
we are try to solve a problem related to VMs attached to Volume Groups (VG):
Our Nutanix infrastructure at the moment is composed of 2 clusters based on AOS/AHY and cross-replicated using the native protection domains as DR.
Excluding other standard VM services, we can say that the first cluster contain the OpenStack infrastructure (Database(s), Keystone, Horizon, etc.) and with the Nutanix OpenStack drivers we use the second cluster to generate the OpenStack VMs.

Right now we haven´t still found a software solution that have VG support and we discovered this problem using Cohesity. For the moment negative answer support of vProtect and Veeam and we are waiting for other answers.

Any suggestion?
Try vProtect, you won't regret 🙂

Storware vProtect is an enterprise backup solution for virtual environments.

Backup & Recovery for Nutanix features - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU_ocyv4ztQ

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-backup-nutanix-vms-marcin-kubacki/

https://storware.eu/en/storware-vprotect/

  • VM-level Backup & Restore for Nutanix
  • support including CBT (CRT) for incremental backups
  • file-level restore
  • disk exclusion
  • File-level restore using mountable backups
  • Multi-node support for better scalability or geographically dispersed environments
  • Hybrid Protection (2nd Tier can be at enterprise backup server or in the cloud)
Backup Destinations (backup targets)

  • Local File system
  • NFS, CIFS protocol
  • AWS S3
  • OpenStack SWIFT
  • IBM Spectrum Protect (TSM)
  • Dell EMC Networker
  • Veritas Netbackup
vProtect can work in 2 different modes:

- Independent backup server
- proxy server (media agent) for IBM Spectrum Protect (TSM), Veritas Netbackup and Dell EMC Networker.
So VEEAM has recommended to users to use physical proxies for large installation? How big is "large" in that instance? We are using Commvault on a 34 node cluster and about to throw VEEAM on a 17 node cluster. So we are going to get some real world comparisons whether we like it not, haha.
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Fair enough and thank-you. The extra detail makes sense and puts things into perspective.

Happy to answer any questions that anyone has, and .. just remembered that I need to upgrade my community edition labs to the latest version 🙂
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jtempleton thank you for the details and certainly my comments were more of a general point, that sharing experiences (product, meeting with sales/se, POC, support, compatibilty and above all unique requirments by each company and price point) makes for a good discussion for other to consider.

We ourselves use have been using Veaam in our Hyper-V environment today and are really happy with the product and support. However, we are really eagar to see how Veeam and Nutanix partnership will provide us the same level of comfort and techecnology we are already used to. May be even better integration and quite possiblly the API approach as you have suggested that HYCU has adapted in supporting Nutanix AHV.

I am intrige to look at HYCU now to see what they do offer.

Thank you all for a healthy conversation as at the end of the day being an IT person what always is on our mind is "can i recover my data when and if I need to" 🙂
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Personally, jtempleton - i find your commentary very insightful - i am a product manager for dell emc lookign for unbiased information about anyone and anything in the market looking to protect nutanix environments.

theres no one size fits all for data protection, each customer brings their own unique needs, challenges at a certain cost point. i certainly appreciated the detail you provide as it helps set the context.

Healthy competition = better products for IT professionals, lets not all forget that. As we all push the bar higher, the consumer always gets better capabilities for all players.
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I am not attempting to spread any fud or misinformation. I am a typical, experienced, sys admin trying to cover a number of technologies in a complex infrastructure. I have purchased, implemented and used various backup solutions over the years for various companies.

Our old infrastructure used Veeam, backing up vmware servers on EMC Sans. I have used veeam since v3.5 and I am a really big fan of theirs and can only speak highly of them. I have run veeam successfully on our nutanix environment.

My opinion was based on a recent tendering exercise for a Nutanix backup solution for my company that I recently completed. The backup solution that fits my company would not suit every other company.

Commvault, Data Domain and Hycu came onsite and provided a demo of their solution, answered our questions and followed up with a proposal. We also engaged with Veeam.

As i said in my original post, commvault proposed we have physical devices, veeam propsed proxy servers in their solution. And to be fair to everyone the Data Domain presentation was poor as they couldnt get their demo system working. These were reasons why we selected Hycu as their propsal was a single app installed on Nutanix.

The system that was proposed by Commvault for my organisation contained physical devices because of the volume of data we backup. The Commvault solution was 5 times more expensive than Hycu's.

The whole point of forums like this is for people to swap, share ideas and experiences and help each other out, not shutdown people if you dont like their comments. If its only vendors who are allowed to express an opinion on here then there wont be many people left here.
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Damian thank you for the comments. I really do appreacite when IT professional come to discuss what is good in their product and leave the dicussion making to the masses. Postivity always produces better results :)

TY
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I think there is a fair bit of fud in your post jtempleton. For transparency, I work at Commvault (Now: Customer Support) so take this with the usual vendor bias and skepticism. I have been working with Nutanix since 2015 and having so many solutions to pick from is a tesitment to the success of their platform and awesomeness of the community that has resulted.

You are incorrect on the integration point in your post. Most solutions now are integrating with Nutanix's data protection API. Commvault was the first to provide agentless backups (we believed :D) and no, it does not require physical hardware (grab a trial version and see for yourself). Likewise I think our friends at Veeam also provide direct integration now without the use of agents. I even think Veritas has announced or has support using agentless methods.

Sure, we're going to recommend physical when you achieve massive scale - but so will Veeam and other vendors if you need deduplication for any significant size of backup. The difference is that we do not need specialized dedupe hardware appliances at scale as we perform this using software only, where many would prefer you purchased a data domain, StoreOnce or other specialized accellerated appliance to handle larger datasets.

We're switching on the new API framework in our next service pack (3 days away) which will also bring CBT for AHV and Nutanix's much improved API model that does away with the older framework that we worked with Nutanix on since 2015. The old framework was tied to protection domains, so I'm excited to break free of that model and take advantage of all the new goodies.

Hycu does seem like an elegant solution, and I do like the approach, but no need to spread the fud. All of these solutions have completely different value propositions. Lets leave the good people here to try each solution on their own merits and keep the fud to a minimum.
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I have an environment that is completely virtualised. Decision points around Hycu were :

Hycu is written using the Nutanix API's and therefore has great integration with Nutanix, that i don think anyone can beat at present.
I also like that Hycu is a standalone app and there is no physical hardware (commvault) or software proxies (veeam) needed.
Price, it was competitively priced
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In my case, I was looking at HYCU because we currently use Rapid Recovery for all of our physical servers. As we are virtualizing those server on Nutanix I'm looking at a virtual aware backup that works well with Nutanix AHV so we aren't backing up VM's with the old style client method. I'll continue to use RR with our physical servers.
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I was wondering what your decision points were for choosing HYCU? It is a standalone option, I imagine you might have other infrastructure needing data protection. What was the main decision criteria for choosing a point AHV solution?
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We are currently using Carbonite Server Backup (formerly EVault). It's an on-prem or cloud based backup. I like it as I can do a full bare metal backup as well as files, sql, exchange etc backups. I have not tested restoring a bare metal backup to Nutanix. I have in Xen and VmWare and worked great
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nice partnership Nutanix + Veeam
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Yes, Veeam is good, we currently use it and are happy with it. Waiting for the release and annoucnement from Veeam to work with AHV.

Thanks
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Veeam is a good solution.
Waiting for the announced version of Veeam for AHV, we want to evaluate another solution before making the final choice ( We are also following the HYCU solution that seems very interesting).
Certainly veeam, for now, is our first choice.
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Is Veeam and AHV combination is not working?
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We currently use Veeam but we are going to try the Rubrik appliance
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If you have malware on your system that is encrypting files that you have not detected, then you will just be saving the malware and encrypted files in your snapshots. With a backup you can restore to a previous version. OK you might have some data loss, but that is better than losing a complete system.

If you have a requirement to keep month end and year end backups for compliance purposes then Nutanix snapshots are not suited for this. For longer term backups Hycu, Veeam etc are better for this.

As mikegelhar says in his post, its good practice to follow the 3-2-1 rule.
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As you alluded to, snapshots themselves are not backups. But even if you're replicating the snapshots to a remote system, how would you catelog or search those snapshots for the data you need? file level recovery would involve restoring a snapshot, mounting the data and pulling the file. Doable? Yes. Practicle? Not really. This is where backup software come in to help maintain the catelog of what data was backed up when and then provide the means to reach in and get you the exact data you need.
Also worth noting, that depending on your snapshot retention policies, if the source file is deleted before anyone knows it, that deletion is replicated and there might not be a file to recover.
The 3-2-1 method still applies to Nutanix platforms just like any other. Ideally you have three copies of your data on two different media/devices and one copy offsite from the source.
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I'm new to Nutanix and this thread has me curious. Is it impractical to use Nutanix snapshots for backups assuming you have the disk capacity and a remote site?
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Thank you
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Using the veeam agents..
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How are you using Veeam Backup within Nutanix?

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